Monday, November 2, 2009

The Iliad, Topic 1

Comment on character flaws that mortals and gods demonstrate.

21 comments:

  1. one of the character flaws that i saw was that paris isnt the big strong man that he said that he was. hector noticed that he was a litle coward is was scared to go into battle.

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  2. the men and the women think that the gods are the controleres of people.they control everything.the gods give the humans obsticales and then they will try as hard as they can to compplet them.like the trogan war.that is controled by the gods.they gave achilles strenght and his only week spot is his achilles tenden.so the god controled who wins the war because the put him on the side that wins.
    the gods told agememnon that he had to kill his doughter to win the war.and he did that.they have a huge part in what went on back then.

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  3. the character with a flaw is agamamen that he is man without a soul that can kill and rape with compassion. i i think out all the character him and achilles or the worse. with all of flaws.

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  4. The most character flaws that there is in The Iliad is rage/ anger both Agamemnon and Achellis have bad habit of using anger to get what they want. Agamemnon uses his high power and anger to keep Achellis "trophy" for himslef. And Achellis tells his mother who is a goddess to tell jove to give the Trojans victory because Agmemnon stole his trophy.

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  6. Mortals are controlled by thier emotions such as power, greed, egos, vanity, etc. Where gods are motivated by pryers and answering the calls of thier loyal people.

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  7. Character flaws that were demonstrated by the mortals and the gods were greed, selfasheness, cruelty, and anger/rage. Achilles for example didnt care about Briesus who was just his little sex buddy playmate thing. Menelaus was also bad becuase he let his anger/rage control him. He often found himself threatening people to get his point across.

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  8. Every Male mortal and god are very flawed. They are all womenizers and very abusive. Even worst they all believe women are property not people. Some go as far as stealing women from their family and claim them as their own.

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  9. Greed and spite are drastic flaws seen in both the actions of mortal men and the Gods. Powerful men, such as Agamemnon and Achilles, strive for only one thing; power. They dedicate their lives to building their reputations as all powerful men, and doing whatever they desire to become almighty. They horde riches from towns and scavenge the remains of a city they destroyed for no other reason than their desire for that city's valuables. The Gods are no different in their greediness. They are always holding contests between each other, just to prove who is better or for a prize. More drastically, both men and Gods emit vengeance upon each other. Menelaus seeks vengeance against Paris for taking Helen and Achilles seeks it upon Agamemnon for taking his woman. The Gods are undoubtedly vengeful. They choose sides in the Trojan war, and trade death for death between the Greek and the Trojan soldiers, such as Hector and Achilles. Without hesitation, Zeus, and other mighty Gods, are willing to smite mortal men like livestock. Both mortal men and Gods desire for power, and seek vengeance for wrongdoings done upon them.

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  10. Some character flaws that mortals and gods demonstrate are huge egos, unbearable rage, and betrayal of their friends, nation, or loved ones. A mortal character who exhibits all of these traits is Agamemnon. Agamemnon proves this all when he kills his daughter (ultimate betrayal), rapes Helen and slaughters nations (unbearable rage), and when he sends hundreds of men to die for him (huge ego).
    A God who has all these traits is Hera. Hera has a huge ego because she knows she's the God of Womanhood and she's married to the most powerful and beautiful God (Zeus) with a healthy family. She shows ultimate betrayal when she throws her baby off a cliff, and she shows her unbearable rage when she threatens Zeus even though he is a man and the most powerful and almighty god.

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  11. Both the mortals and Gods demonstrate many character flaws including rage, big egos, selfishness, and disloyalty to their friends and family. Gods like Zeus portray a lot of these character flaws. Like how it is alright for him to flirt with Thetis while Hera was watching him, but it was alright because it is a "man’s world." He is being arrogant and selfish not caring about how his wife feels. Also Agamemnon being a mortal possesses many character flaws, he has a huge ego, and he abuses his power. He uses his power to get what he wants and doesn’t care who he hurts or embarrasses. He is selfish when he has to give back Chrysies, but makes Achilles give up his war gift Briseis just to show him how much more powerful his is and to rub it in Achilles face.

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  12. The gods are very much like the mortals in many ways but just have more power. They get mad at each other, lie, and are selfish. These flaws are shown in the argument between Zeus and Hera when she yells at him for flirting with Thetis. They are not the perfect gods the mortals might think they are and actually rule much on their personal favor.

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  13. Character flaws that characters have that all the gods demonstarte would be the envy of ones power over the land and people. You have...Achaeans who always want power but he also tries to get it from his mother Thetis helping him by trying to persuade Zeus for his help in keeping the trojans safe from the Greeks. The gods use their powers at all times and use it to their advantage. But ZZeus uses it when he gets persudaed by Thetis... getting pleasure for himself. Paris...after he "fought" Menelaus for Helen and her Treasures...made love to Helen getting pleasure from her one last time. The men took women for granted and only thought of them as objects to play with. You cant sit there and pick out of a bowl and decide whos marrying someone, even if she is so beautiful.

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  14. The character flaws that the mortals demonstrate are that they are to willing to give up what’s important to them in order to please the gods and persuade them into giving the mortals what they want. For example, in Helen of Troy Agamemnon killed his own daughter just so the gods would send the wind that would enable them to sail to Troy. The Gods take advantage of the mortals because the gods know that the mortals will do anything for power, victory and revenge. The some mortals are like Pons to the gods and they use them for entertainment.

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  15. The character flaws of Troy are extremely similar to the character flaws on Mount Olympus, the Ancient Gods of Greece were decidedly not virtuous. The scene of Thetis seducing Zeus, shows that the Gods, are figuratively, only human. Agamemnon and Achilles, represent pride, and all of the Gods on Olympus represent ego as well.

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  16. The mortals and gods both demonstrate character flaws. The mortals demonstrate extreme rage, pride, selfishness, hot-temperedness, big egos, arrogance, abuse of power and disloyalty.
    The gods like to meddle and interfere with what’s going on in the mortal world. Zeus abuses his powers when he agrees to interfere with the Greek/Trojan war for Thetis. Zeus displays his selfishness, big ego, disloyalty, and hot-temperedness, when he flirts with Thetis right in front of his wife Hera. When Hera gets mad at him he tells her to mind her own business, and silences her by choking her. Thetis exhibits her need to meddle in the mortals lives, when she goes pleading to Zeus because Agamemnon hurt her son, Achilles’ feelings.
    Achilles and Agamemnon demonstrate character flaws because they both have extreme rage, pride, selfishness, hot-temperedness, and big egos. They both are competing to be the strongest person. Because they are both so full of pride, they go head to head with each other, and don't see eye-to-eye on some issues. Achilles, clearly the strongest warrior doesn't think he gets enough credit because he does all the work and Agamemnon gets all the prizes when he really does nothing. Agamemnon thinks because he's the king and the leader that he should get all the benefits that come along with it, even though he doesn't risk his life or do any of the work like Achilles does.

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  17. Helen is a very young and respectable lady. Helen is very arrogant and cowardly. When Aphrodite took Paris away from the fight, Helen thought about what the ladies would say about her back home, so didn't want to get in bed with Paris. Helen was frightened by Aphrodite because she said that if Helen didnt get in bed with Paris then she would get vengance on Helen. Zeus takes women for granted. He has many affairs with many women who are not his wife. If someone asks him for his help, he tries to compromise in order to please himself first. If theres nothing in it for him, then he doesn't want to help others.

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  18. the mortals and the gods show many of the same character flaws. take agamemnon and Zeus for example, they are both angered very easily and often are extremly rash and harsh. agamemnon shows these traits when achilles speaks up against him. he gets extremly angry and threatens to kill achilles just because he went against what he said. Zeus does exactly the same thing to hera. she stands up against him when he agrees to help thetis. he gets mad and beats her. then he continues to beat his children just out of rage over something so trivial and stupid. it almost seems that the gods flaws parallel the flaws of the mortals

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  19. Many of the characters in the Iliad have some kind of character flaw which often leads to problems for them and for the people around them. One of the first seen is that of Agamemnon. His flaws are his pride and greed. This is most evident in book I when he is forced to give up his prize Chryseis for the good of his soldiers. However he does not allow this to happen unless he is given restitution which he decides will take the form of Briseis, Achilles' prize. Achilles' flaw is his rage and need for revenge. Although he is justified in his feelings toward Agamemnon he responds to them in a way that does not only punish him but the entire Greek army; that is he uses his divine connection to get Zeus to support the Trojan cause. Even the god's are not free from flaws. Zeus is easily "persuaded" by attractive women and goddesses and thus can be made to do anything. This is shown by Thetis' persuasion of Zeus to aid the Trojans.

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